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Author:  Grant [ 28 Oct 2016, 18:48 ]
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I was recently asked by a friend to take on some trees left by her husband Bill who had recently passed away. One of those trees was the Scottie/ Mugo, which in fact did turn out to be a Mugo. That's a project for next year and I'm still very open to suggestions re styling as the tree is very leggy, but does have some great aged bark.

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The tree I'm writing about today is an Oak. It is in a lovely, although totally unsuited Japanese pot and will be repotted in the new year.

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The tree as with the Mugo is very leggy, Bill had not been well for a while and the trees were left to fend for them selves. I'd like to be able to do something with them so that Jan can see them thriving as a reminder of Bill. Any suggestions re styling will be welcome, as with Pines I know little about Oaks.

Grant

Author:  Bill [ 29 Oct 2016, 16:59 ]
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nice little trunk that. if you are happy to keep it small, you could remove the centre branch, cut the 2 smaller branches back to their first nodes and grow your branching from there.

Author:  Gary Jones [ 29 Oct 2016, 18:43 ]
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I agree with Bill re the oak. For the pine I think all the interest is in the bottom 5th so I'd be tempted to chop to just above the double kink late next summer and rebuild the lower part from there. The bottom left branch could be kept as a sacrifice for a year or two providing it doesn't get too big. Or if you fancy getting creative just keep the lower branch and make yourself a raft (I think the branches look OK for that).

Author:  Grant [ 30 Oct 2016, 01:59 ]
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Thanks Bill & Garry,
Bill, if you get a chance can you please draw me a diagram of your suggested cuts. I don't mind cutting the oak down, and as you say it's a trunk with some movement, the leaves are reasonably small too. Did you mean,cut the trunk above the two lowest branches, then cut those back to their first nodes?

Garry, Seems a lot of growth to lose on the pine if I cut it at the double kink, mind you that might still be the best thing to do. I don't know how mugos react to air layering but that might be the way to go. At the moment I'm totally lost, but there's no rush as I can't really do anything until next year.

Thank you both for your advice

Grant

Author:  Gary Jones [ 30 Oct 2016, 10:14 ]
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I'm pretty sure you've understood Bill correctly as that would be my thoughts on the oak.

Re the pine you've got time as you say. You can always do this in stages a bit at a time. Look at the tree now and it seems tall and leggy. Visualise removing more and more height until you think you have a compact tree. It'll be interesting to see what point you arrive at. Often source material needs to be severely reduced to get the right image. A 20 foot tree might be grown just to get a 4 inch stump. This year I've reduced a 6 foot privet (which in turn would have been much bigger before I got it) to a 6 inch tree. I personally like bigger trees but then you need a much bigger starting point.

Another option if you don't want to lose the foliage would be to bend the trunk over in a hairpin about half way up where it naturally bends. Bring the top right down and back over in front of trunk and then style the top foliage a year or so later. You could probably then jin most of the lower branches. I suggest if you go for this get some help the first time to make sure you do it correctly. I've not done this myself but it's something I've been thinking about especially since Will's demo at heathrow.

Author:  Brendan [ 30 Oct 2016, 16:20 ]
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I would not cut the oak back to that point. I'd pick one of the 2 lower branches and cut off the other. I'd probably cut the left one as the right one seems to have more ramification. Also, there's a shoot off the left side of the main trunk.

Oaks need a bit of height, as the leaves don't really reduce very well, and they don't ramify very well either. You are better off with a taller tree?

Author:  Bill [ 30 Oct 2016, 17:26 ]
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i think you got it but here you go anyway. green are pointing to what i think are buds.
if you were to do this in one go, i would expect a bit of back budding on the trunk. it might be possible to incorporate those into a design or grow them free to build the trunk from lower down. i definitely would not cut anything if you do decide you want to grow it bigger, though i wouldn't leave the centre branch there too much longer either way, maybe just another year or 2 of free growth depending on how it all grows. im not sure which way i would go if it was mine, tbh.

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re: the pine, i would wait until a repot to get a good look at the base. whatever character you have at the base might work well with just one of the trunks. the trunks are too far apart imo. you should be able to pull them closer together though, so what im imagining atm would be something like reducing the upright trunk back to its 2 lowest branches and bending it in the direction of the low branch. maybe even reducing it to just its lowest branch.

from your previous ID post, it looks like it could do with a repot - the soil mix looks moler clay-based but looks like it has been in it a long time. the flowers with very weak growth above are not a good sign in my experience, so i would start with a repot unless it actually has been done recently. i would not work the top yet, would wait to see new shoots with no flowers. if it flowers again next year, remove them as soon as you can. this may mean another year or 2 of waiting for it to build strength, but well worth the wait imo. once its putting out strong shoots, cut them in late summer for a chance of some back budding.

Author:  Grant [ 31 Oct 2016, 09:37 ]
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Hi Bill,
Many thanks, I'll be following your advice on the Oak . Your comments on the Pine seem sensible so will most likely be the path I'll follow.

Best regards,
Grant

Author:  Bill [ 31 Oct 2016, 22:13 ]
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No probs, atb with them

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