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Author:  Smithy [ 26 Apr 2011, 15:37 ]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kNyPUBPSUk
Author:  Tommybest [ 26 Apr 2011, 17:58 ]
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I Investigated UFO sighting reports for years for one of the biggest UFO groups in the world before starting Glasgow UFO research organisation. (even had my 30 mins of fame on tv..lol).
took reports from police officers who didn,t want to go public for fear of ridicule, yet if those same policemen said they saw you commit an offence, they'd be believed.
Author:  daryl [ 26 Apr 2011, 17:59 ]
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Excellent ! :30clap2:
Author:  Mikey [ 26 Apr 2011, 18:57 ]
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I have a book called Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation by Michael Tsarion and he goes on about an alien war years ago where one race fell down to earth and messed around with humans, it all sounded a bit far fetched to me and the guy does talk some crap. I've also tried reading the God Delusion again as I found the Devils Chaplain a good read but yet again I found Dawkins hate for religion more of a fanatical arguement than one in the search for truth. If someone has faith I think let them have it, I'd love to have it and be safe in the knowledge I will see my loved ones in the next life but my scientific brain wont let me, unfortunately. I dont believe in warping young minds into thinking the will be sent to an eternity of fire and brimstone for nicking his neighbours paper and giving his wife one for good measure. Logically speaking I think aliens must exist and god cannot, but I have no proof of either.
Author:  littleoak [ 26 Apr 2011, 22:51 ]
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Mikey wrote:
I have a book called Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation by Michael Tsarion and he goes on about an alien war years ago where one race fell down to earth and messed around with humans, it all sounded a bit far fetched to me and the guy does talk some crap. I've also tried reading the God Delusion again as I found the Devils Chaplain a good read but yet again I found Dawkins hate for religion more of a fanatical arguement than one in the search for truth. If someone has faith I think let them have it, I'd love to have it and be safe in the knowledge I will see my loved ones in the next life but my scientific brain wont let me, unfortunately. I dont believe in warping young minds into thinking the will be sent to an eternity of fire and brimstone for nicking his neighbours paper and giving his wife one for good measure. Logically speaking I think aliens must exist and god cannot, but I have no proof of either.


Dawkins? Agree, he's a poor philosopher and an idiot.
Aliens? A mathematical certainty providing that everything we know about the universe is true.
God? I fear him even though the likelihood is that he/she doesn't exist. He/she keeps me on the straight and narrow and therefore is good for me and the society that I want to live in.
Author:  John M [ 26 Apr 2011, 23:30 ]
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Critics of religious belief often say that they envy the certainty which people of faith have. The whole point about faith is that there isn't any certainty - if there was certainty, you wouldn't need faith. Faith is all about trust. J.
Author:  randomgary [ 26 Apr 2011, 23:37 ]
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i believe that "God" is a mathmatical formula

when this formula is applied what we have had, are having now and will have in the future is the answer.

i also believe that aliens are a certainty, im not so sure they have visited us.
Author:  John M [ 26 Apr 2011, 23:44 ]
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randomgary wrote:
i believe that "God" is a mathmatical formula


Is that 'believe' in the sense of 'I think', Random? J.
Author:  randomgary [ 26 Apr 2011, 23:53 ]
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well we arnt very close to finding this formula lol!

so in essance yes i have faith that there is a scientific explination ha ha
Author:  splendidplumage [ 27 Apr 2011, 00:07 ]
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Aliens and UFOs existing are relatively modern concepts compared to ideas that gods might exist.
If aliens exist imagine if they had visited thousands of years ago what those that met them would have believed them to be.
Its easy to see them being envisioned as angels and demons, messangers of gods.
Messiahs, prophets etc could easily be those that have had encounters with aliens and been so moved by the encounters to want to spread the word, enturpreting exactly what the word is themselves. They could be groomed by the aliens they met to spread specific ideas. In fact if the aliens are as sophisitcated as those in V the TV series the prophets could be the aliens themselves.

Even if alien encounters have started religions, or just helped add fuel to the fire, as religions develop the idea of the god or gods at the center of them are just a starting point. Get a few followers, make up some rules about what they can eat, wear etc to prove they are actually taking it seriously and you have power. Religions were inevitably going to be made up by clever people wanting influence even if there was nothing real to base them on.

It would be interesting to know how many were based on genuine belief and how misguided that initial belief was.
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