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Author:  Brendan [ 22 Mar 2017, 12:15 ]
Post subject:  Cheapo acer

This was in the bargain bin a couple of years ago. No pics from the time, but it was about 2 foot tall and very leggy. I liked the bend in the trunk and decided I could trunk chop it and hope for some decently placed back buds - I think I lucked out.

It lacks any taper to the top and is rather stylised, but my wife says it is cute.

I left it in the original plastic pot while I focused on pruning and wiring to get it to this shape. The spring colour is pretty nice.

I repotted it a few weeks back and was disappointed to find that there were absolutely no roots at all on the one side of the trunk and I had no choice but to plant it with this awful inverse taper. When I first dug around in the pot I thought there were radial roots, but heigh-ho.

Can anyone help me decide whether it is worth layering it to address the inverse taper? All I'd do is ring bark it at the point of the inverse taper, and put a pot around the trunk filled with sphagnum. If that will work, when is the best time to do it? Other ideas?

Image2017-03-22_07-54-42 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr




I am going to thin the top in a week or two as the top part of the trunk is too thick already and I don't want the growth there to thicken it further and anyway I think this one is apically dominant. I did not want to remove any of the leaves while it is settling into the pot.

The lower 2 branches are going to be left to grow unrestricted all this season. They may get a guy wire at most. I need them both to be thicker, and hopefully to add some girth to the trunk. If either branck gives me an option to allow a sacrifice branch to develop then that will be my best option.





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Author:  sputnik [ 22 Mar 2017, 12:48 ]
Post subject:  Re: Cheapo acer

It looks like a Katsura Brendan and I've found they layer quite easily.

Author:  TomB [ 22 Mar 2017, 13:25 ]
Post subject:  Re: Cheapo acer

Layering occurred to me as soon as I saw your picture - the leaves look great but the base is a problem.
I would layer above the graft line (I presume that's where the inverse taper is in any case).
I would use a pot filled with akadama for the layer, not sphagnum. I had a few layers fail or perform poorly (callusing rather than generating roots) last year because the sphagnum was staying too wet. With akadama you can just severe the trunk at the base of the pot and not worry about touching the roots until next year.
I would do it right now, I think the timing is perfect.

Author:  Brendan [ 22 Mar 2017, 14:10 ]
Post subject:  Re: Cheapo acer

I don't think it is a graft? The inverse taper was caused because a single root that shot out above the point where the taper developed and it retarded any growth below. At the same time the lower roots were growing in a 270 degree radius - just none below that one high root.

The trunk has no visible signs of any graft and I think this was a cutting. That's why I was sort of relaxed about the roots when I first got it. It it is a graft I suppose it makes no difference as any roots that develop at the point of the layer are going to work just fine.

Author:  sputnik [ 22 Mar 2017, 14:14 ]
Post subject:  Re: Cheapo acer

I did this one, also from a cheapo tree conventionally with sphagnum two years ago but I think Tom is right about using a pot of akadama as an alternative with yours.

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Good luck. They are such an attractive acer. :Big Thumb:

Author:  Bill [ 22 Mar 2017, 14:35 ]
Post subject:  Re: Cheapo acer

yeah layer ;-) i would go for somewhere around here, build the tree off branch one after the other branches have been let run long for a couple of years.

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Author:  Brendan [ 17 Nov 2017, 15:32 ]
Post subject:  Re: Cheapo acer

I did not get around to layering this tree, mainly as I wanted it to develop some more strength after the re-pot before I put it through another stress.

Watching youtube I saw a tip about inverse taper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EsgjZ-qncQ

Made me think.

Here's the tree now:

Image20171117_132857 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr







Pretty obvious what the problem is:

Image20171117_132908 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr


But if I tip the tree over the taper suddenly disappears. Maybe not as far as this:



Image20171117_133107 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr


But about here?




Image20171117_132847 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr





So maybe pull the lower branch down and the higher branch up:


Image20171117_140656 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr

Author:  Gary Jones [ 17 Nov 2017, 15:50 ]
Post subject:  Re: Cheapo acer

That's certainly the quickest solution and looks OK to me. Doesn't it leave you with a nebari-less trunk though?

Author:  Brendan [ 17 Nov 2017, 17:36 ]
Post subject:  Re: Cheapo acer

Should be OK?

Image20171117_155026 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr

Author:  Gary Jones [ 17 Nov 2017, 17:45 ]
Post subject:  Re: Cheapo acer

Yes if your proposed tilt keeps them exposed. It looked in the virt that you might have to tilt and lower to hide the inverse taper and in the process loose the visibility of those good roots. Obviously if you can keep them it's a better choice.

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