My vote goes to c plus a few extra seasons
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| Author: | peter siimpson [ 15 Aug 2017, 21:40 ] |
| Post subject: | What to do with seedlings |
Hello again, I recently went on greenwoods site and ordered some soil and wire, whilst on there I strayed into the seedling pages. A few clicks later and I now have a hornbeam, a cotoneaster and a pair of crab apple seedlings. I'm not really sure what to do with them, do I : A) do nothing other than water them and wait for them to get bigger B) pot them in a bigger pot, water and wait C) plant them in the ground for a season or two D) something else I think there a couple of years old going by the info on the website Thanks, Peter |
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| Author: | Glynjohnson [ 15 Aug 2017, 21:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What to do with seedlings |
1 vote for C |
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| Author: | Will [ 15 Aug 2017, 22:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What to do with seedlings |
My vote goes to c plus a few extra seasons
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| Author: | MattS [ 15 Aug 2017, 22:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What to do with seedlings |
I vote slip pot for now into something bigger, feed, maybe wire any basic trunk movement. In spring bare root at repotting time, do any needed root work and arrange them over a tile when planting in the ground. |
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| Author: | Koren [ 15 Aug 2017, 22:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What to do with seedlings |
Hornbeam and crabapple - in the ground, maybe wire some movement in. Cotoneaster - see what it's like. They can work quite nicely as shohin or mame so you might be able to do something with it sooner. They will all likely come in small seedling pots so might be worth slip potting the cotoneaster too |
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| Author: | Gary Jones [ 15 Aug 2017, 23:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What to do with seedlings |
I did the same a couple of years back. I put mine in large pots to grow on. After 2-3 years some of them could be ready for mame or shohin only so be warned it takes a while. I've been working on other stuff in the meanwhile. In the ground will be quicker, sort out the roots as best you can next spring and get movement down low whilst you can. A thick straight trunk is uninteresting so movement now will save you work later on. |
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| Author: | peter siimpson [ 16 Aug 2017, 09:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What to do with seedlings |
Thanks for the replies, Now for some more questions if that's ok. I have a raised bed that I normally grow veg in but could use one end for the seedlings. if I did this how much space should I leave between them. Planting with a tile underneath was mentioned, do I literally dig a hole deep enough to take the root ball then put a tile at the bottom of it. my guess is this forces the roots to move horizontally rather than straight down. If I go down the path of slip potting into a bigger pot, should I use bonsai mix soil or is general compost better and what size pot would be best. when trying to get movement into a trunk, am I looking to just get some gentle bends in the trunk or is something more extreme possible. Sorry for the barrage of questions but I really am fairly clueless. Thank you in advance, Peter |
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| Author: | PeterBone [ 16 Aug 2017, 13:39 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What to do with seedlings |
I'll give my opinion, but it may well differ from what others think. I'd go with D, get rid of them somehow (give away perhaps). I wouldn't want to spend a decade watering them and taking up space in the garden before doing any bonsai work on them and then most likely not end up with something that great anyway. I'd much rather start with something that already has a developed trunk and obvious potential - collected material mostly but also nursery stock. That sounds very harsh I know, but just giving the alternate opinion. |
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| Author: | MattS [ 16 Aug 2017, 14:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What to do with seedlings |
I like your thinking PeterBone if people aren't wanting that level of commitment or wait. As for movement peter siimpson Ryan Neil talks about this in his video here. It's very long with him working on nursery stock but the principle is the same. He is describing good nursery stock which is basically what ground growing is trying to produce. The section that includes movement starts at 19:20 and goes through to 27:30. https://live.bonsaimirai.com/archive/vi ... ries-pt.-1 |
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| Author: | paulpash [ 16 Aug 2017, 19:48 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: What to do with seedlings |
Hi Peter, I guess your route is guided by a few factors: How old are you? How patient are you? Are you prepared or able to spend money to buy stock to save time? Why are you doing bonsai - the satisfaction of 'doing it yourself' or the end result - a nearly 'finished' tree. A blend of all these factors will dictate your path. Personally, I have always grown my own from scratch because I love the creative process. Why not plant these in your raised bed for a few years while you learn the basics of styling / go on a few courses / read etc. In the meantime either have a go at more substantial cheap stock like garden centre material or car booty stuff and practice pruning, wiring, watering etc. By the time you have the knowledge and skill these little trees will have substantial trunks and you can style them. You lose nothing by doing this. Just plonking them in the ground and forgetting about them is no good though - they will still need managing, eg winter branch selection, chopping, sacrifice branching, root work etc. I always point newcomers to this site - it's been my bible for ground growing for years: https://www.evergreengardenworks.com/trunks.htm Click on the articles link and it will give specific info on your trees too - Cotoneaster & crabapple are there. I recommend you spend a few hours reading all the articles on there - it'll help immensely. HTH - Pash |
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