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Author:  TomB [ 05 May 2019, 15:03 ]
Post subject:  Re: Acer Chitose-yama

... but it will need significant work to be turned into a bonsai of course.

Impossible to tell from pictures, but I would be looking at removing the main trunk as low as possible, at the point where a couple of branches seem to come off it. One of those would be your new leader. I'd do it gradually, using the Ebihara technique for gradual branch removal e.g. https://bonsaitonight.com/2011/08/02/bi ... pe-myrtle/
You might also be looking at thread grafts to get some branching lower down on the trunk.

And then there's the root reduction.

It can be done, but you're looking at maybe 10 years until it's 'done'.


This is still work-in-progress but it used to look a lot like yours (though yours has better nebari).

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Author:  Cuchilo [ 05 May 2019, 21:47 ]
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I love it when people tell me it cant be done . I go ahead and try anyway :201thumbup:
I like the tree , bonsai it :27drunk.

Author:  Keith Hansell [ 06 May 2019, 23:11 ]
Post subject:  Re: Acer Chitose-yama

When I got this home (prior to seeing any of the new posts) I had made the decision that it was going into a large flower pot on the patio, then see in time where I can take it. In fairness the leaves are no bigger than those on my other bonsai maples, apart from my Deshojo, although that is only about ten inches tall. This one stands now, after I trimmed some foliage back when planting, about three and a half foot tall. In the nebari photo you can see a piece of black netting, which I removed. It had obviously been grown in this netting bag and it had acted in the same manner as a pond basket, giving a good root system, with plenty of new feeders. No root work was done, just trimmed and planted. I might be able to get away with not cutting down past the two branches that you mention Tom. However above there are three branches almost together and two will have to be removed, but that is something for the future.

Author:  BobbyLane [ 07 May 2019, 13:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Acer Chitose-yama

Keith Hansell wrote:
solidoak wrote:
Hi not ideal for bonsai its a container plant height 7 to 13 feet. spreading, pendulous, or weeping branches it is notable for its colour and effect of spring foliage and shoots

caz


Oh, dear........I had purchased it about an hour before your post. I looked online yesterday and it said they have a slight colour change in spring and summer. This is the only green one I have so I am not too bothered. I have others that will give me more colour changes with the seasons.


Here it is....



ImageIMG_20190505_111151_BURST001_COVER by Keith Hansell, on Flickr

ImageIMG_20190505_110951 by Keith Hansell, on Flickr

ImageIMG_20190505_111138 by Keith Hansell, on Flickr


it isnt pendulous nor does it weep.
i havnt heard of it, but a simple google search threw up lots of info on it
https://www.rhs.org.uk/Plants/91365/Ace ... urae-Group)-Chitose-yama/Details

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Author:  BobbyLane [ 07 May 2019, 13:21 ]
Post subject:  Re: Acer Chitose-yama

i wonder if there is a tall broom in there, rather than cutting it back to one trunk line. bit tricky to tell from your images, if you cleaned up the structure better and got rid of stuff that would never be needed maybe things would be clearer. the viewing angle is from slightly above too

this is a sango kaku, going to be in a broom form, the proportions seems about right to my eye...the canopy just needs to fill back out, all necessary cut backs made
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shortening sub trunks, rather than cutting them off, limits the amount of big scars made for this material. but every tree is different

i think major styling decisions should be made from this sort of angle, but everybody else seems to take pictures differently :grin:

Author:  BobbyLane [ 07 May 2019, 17:14 ]
Post subject:  Re: Acer Chitose-yama

actually im fairly new to working on japanese maples, still learning. but the garden centres and nurseries are stocking a lot of nice cultivars now and some of the grafts are barely visible or non existent. i dont know much, but i just stay away from the dissectum, variegated or red varieties, or anything with overly large leaves. i think just because there is not many bonsai of a particular species doesnt mean its a red flag. it might just be a newer or rare cultivar thats not been done yet.
there isnt a whole lot of sango kaku bonsai either or kito himi, theres a few of the latter but no where near as popular as deshojo/trident/mountain maple etc

Author:  Keith Hansell [ 07 May 2019, 18:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: Acer Chitose-yama

Thanks Sputnik and Cuchilo for your votes of confidence and Tom for the advice.

Bobby, The evening prior to purchasing it, I did a search and from what I found I thought I stood a good chance of making something work. I too think that I could possibly get a large broom style, although I might be able to also use a lower branch. I will try and get a better photo tomorrow, weather permitting. Yours looks very promising and will be watching it.

Author:  bluesky [ 07 May 2019, 19:26 ]
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It's certainly worth a go. If you're planning on a trunk chop below the big Y, why not do an air layer and get a second tree for free.. twin trunk at that. Either way you'd need to wait until winter to chop...

RHS describes it as a compact shrub amongst other attributes.

Author:  Keith Hansell [ 10 May 2019, 20:41 ]
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bluesky wrote:
It's certainly worth a go. If you're planning on a trunk chop below the big Y, why not do an air layer and get a second tree for free.. twin trunk at that. Either way you'd need to wait until winter to chop...

RHS describes it as a compact shrub amongst other attributes.



At the moment I think I would like to go above the Y, rather than go for a smaller tree.



BOBBY...how long has that Acer been in that pot and at what point did you do the chop?

Still raining here so still no chance of me taking any photo's. If it doesn't stop I'll start building an ark with it.

Author:  BobbyLane [ 11 May 2019, 16:47 ]
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chopped and put in a shallow pot at the start of apr

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