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Author:  Black Kat [ 10 Aug 2019, 14:40 ]
Post subject:  Apple tree in trouble?

I got this little tree last year in great condition, and was overjoyed with its rich bounty of apples later in the season. I removed the last of them in early December as they weren't for falling off on their own. It then flowered wonderfully in March and despite my insistence that I'd not seen a single pollinating insect around due to the inclement weather at the time, it went on to produce a smaller bounty of apples in May/June. All was fine until last month when firstly I noticed a lot of the smaller apples had fallen off the tree and it was left with 4 which are still holding on but growing well. However, my main concern is the state of the leaves. They've started looking rather drab, and some have the discoloured or brown tips, and to me overall, the tree just looks unhealthy.

Care wise - I'm unsure exactly what medium its potted in but suspect soil over grit. I didn't feed it after flowering until 2 weeks ago (more out of desperation) as I'd rather lose the apples than the tree and figured it might need some sustenance. Feeding is with 'Green Dream' pellets. Since getting the feed it does seem to have managed to push out some fresh new growth which is encouraging. It's in a full sun position for 6-8 hours a day. But as most know the weather (particularly up here in the North) has been a lot duller than usual for summer with a LOT of rain, so watering hasn't been a problem - rather I've tried to ensure it doesn't appear to be getting waterlogged.

So I'm basically just seeking some reassurance if it's likely normal given the conditions to look as it does, or whether I need to up the ante with feeding before winter perhaps?

Goes without saying I'm more a hobbyist with "wee trees" as opposed to a full blooded bonsai enthusiast as I'm disabled & unable to spend too much money on the craft, but I do have a local expert who does all my repotting & yearly care etc (he's just gone AWOL on me :grin: :grin: ).

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Author:  daryl [ 10 Aug 2019, 19:08 ]
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That looks fairly normal to me for this time of year.

Author:  Black Kat [ 10 Aug 2019, 19:54 ]
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Ahh thank you for that - yeh that's what I was hoping. It's just different to this time last year but then I do feel that the lack of sun has made a huge difference to many of my trees. Others which would have pushed out lots of growth by now have sat almost stagnant for weeks despite regular feeding. So Autumn may be somewhat earlier than usual in that respect possibly. But at least I can rest more content that it's not perhaps dying rather than doing what it should be :) Appreciated :)

Author:  Cuchilo [ 10 Aug 2019, 20:57 ]
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Mines not like that and has been in full sun . Give it a spray for fungus and possibly look at a repot if its not been done for a few years .

Author:  Black Kat [ 10 Aug 2019, 22:09 ]
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Good points - it did get a fungal spray shortly after flowering ended but not since as it seemed to be fine until recently, so I'll do that tomorrow if weather permits. Repotting might take a bit longer as I'm reliant on said expert for that & he's mighty busy travelling the world teaching etc.

Curious what your weather's been like over the summer in comparison to what's happened here?

Author:  paulpash [ 10 Aug 2019, 22:24 ]
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Brown tips to leaves like that is usually insufficient water. It is producing fruit which is very water intensive. It's in a pond basket that allows a lot of the external substrate to dry out. If it's windy and warm moisture loss becomes substantial, especially when it's setting fruit.

Author:  Black Kat [ 10 Aug 2019, 22:36 ]
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Thanks Paul - makes me wish I'd asked a lot earlier about how to better care for it - my expert was happy with it when he last saw it but that was way back in April. So somewhere along the way I've dropped the ball somewhat with it but it's certainly had plenty of water in recent days as it's raining here more than 4 days in 7 and I save rainwater to water with so at least it's not getting hard water to compound its problems. :)

Author:  paulpash [ 10 Aug 2019, 22:48 ]
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It only takes one day where it's super warm and / or windy for leaf damage to occur. In an inorganic substrate it's impossible to over water - especially a Crabapple or any fruiting tree.

Author:  Gary Jones [ 10 Aug 2019, 22:50 ]
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Like Daryl says leaves can start to look tatty from now on but my gut reaction is a lack of water at some point as Paul said. One or two days of dryness can wreck havoc with leaves and fruit and in the worst case kill trees. (I have made this mistake so many times with various species including crabapple so you are not alone). You only need to miss it once for the damage to set in and affect the tree for the rest of the year. The new growth is a good sign of course and it should be good for next year if you continue to look after it for the rest of this year.

It's good you lave a friend with more experience to help but do check the soil it's potted in and a repot may also be order next spring if it's not been done recently or if the soil is not the best.

Author:  paulpash [ 11 Aug 2019, 08:01 ]
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Chopping some sphagnum up and putting it on top helps. If you mix it into the first couple of inches of substrate there's a good chance roots will emerge at nebari level.

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