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Author:  Winty [ 04 Oct 2019, 20:14 ]
Post subject:  Bonsai beginner help

Hello all I don’t post much forgive me but it’s sometimes best to get your wisdom. I’ve had these all Summer and really enjoy keeping them but I am noticing the once vibrant greenery is now being replaced with lighter green leaves. I am getting new shoots but they are lighter and not looking as healthy.
I know they are only entry level bonsai but I am so enjoying them. These are the longest I’ve had a Bonsai. I re potted in the summer yawing a Bonsai compost and I water when I notice that the soil is drying. I may have over watered at some point so I cut back ( not sure though). I only feed baby bio in the water I feed.
Please help and check photos I hope it’s ok to post photo like this.

Thanks for reading

Author:  Winty [ 04 Oct 2019, 20:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Bonsai beginner help

Can’t post picture oops sorry

Author:  Winty [ 04 Oct 2019, 22:38 ]
Post subject:  Re: Bonsai beginner help

https://www.flickr.com/gp/184813854@N02/7mc92W.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/184813854@N02/y079d2

Think this has worked if any one can take a look and let me know please I will check back tomorrow if you can spare the time. Thanks

Author:  bluesky [ 05 Oct 2019, 01:57 ]
Post subject:  Re: Bonsai beginner help

Looks good and healthy to me. The new leaves on an elm are always lighter green, then they get darker as they harden. You can also see the new shoot stems are also green, they go brown and woody as the shoot matures.

It looks like your watering and feeding is fine, as long as you're using the fertilizer diluted in water at the right proportions and frequency specified on the baby bio bottle.

Is the tree outside? As we approach winter you'll need to seriously reduce the watering to avoid stagnant water in the soil which could rot the roots.

Most folks here use a well draining granular soil that does not clump or retain as much water. For compost-based soil it is useful to stick a small wooden spike into the soil especially in winter so you can easily see if it's moist still under the surface.. a bit like a dip stick in the car oil
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Author:  Winty [ 05 Oct 2019, 08:19 ]
Post subject:  Re: Bonsai beginner help

Thanks for your information you have pretty much said what I was thinking, yes from what I have read this is the time of year to cut back. Also this was the time of year along time ago I lost a Bonsai for that reason I still believe. I had it repotted in granules soul at a nursery by someone. I lost it not long after as this must of been from me overwatering. I have always been reluctant to pot in that kind of granular soil hence the reason I used bonsai soil. I did successfully repot them during the Summer and they took perfectly. Unfortunately I do commit the cardinal sin of keeping these trees in my south facing kitchen window which has been fine but I get the feeling as there is not enough light now it’s dropping with the onset of winter looming it’s impacting the trees health and growth. I am worried that if I transfer to garden this could shock the tree and we are approaching frost time as well plus it’s Newcastle and it never stops raining here :lol:
May I ask what soil mix people use on this site or recommend me to do if I can get in UK or garden shop etc. The guy I went to see along time ago gave me some gravel with soil I don’t have it know. I can’t drive there again as it was a two hour drive but wow what a nursery. Also does anyone know a supplier of Bonsai near me ( Newcastle / South Shields I could visit. Preferably one who don’t have my eyes out for cost.
Is there anything anyone could recognise me to do to keep these trees tip top. Also what’s the best way to prune to obtain the best shape I frightened of messing this up as well. Can I report at this time of year. ????
Massive thanks Bluesky for taking the time for me I know these types of post crop up all the time from us beginners nice of you to help all the best to you :Big Thumb:
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Author:  bluesky [ 05 Oct 2019, 10:39 ]
Post subject:  Re: Bonsai beginner help

You're welcome! :smallthumb: I share your enjoyment looking at these trees, and it has become an addiction.. trying new species, buying nice pots, etc. I would guess almost everyone on this forum has had one or more trees die on them, so you're not alone!

Others can answer about your nearest nurseries, where to get soil, and best type of soil for your tree.

But I will say that autumn is not a good time of year to repot. Repotting bonsai involves pruning the roots, partly so they fit in the pot but mostly for long term health of the tree in a pot. The best time of year for that is spring just as the first new leaf buds start to swell, because all the sap stored over winter is pushing up through the tree and it will continue to push out a spring flush of new leaves even with half the root mass. Whereas in autumn, the tree is trying to get the last of the rays to make sugars in the leaves and store them downwards in the trunk and roots. So if you chop the roots in autumn you're removing a lot of energy stored so far this season and removing capacity to store more over the next month or so. My guess is that's what killed your previous bonsai, autumn repotting. Over-watering is almost impossible in granular soil unless you permanently keep the pot in a tray of water.
If you find your tree is suffering in autumn from being potbound then 'slip pot' it, so you put it in a bigger pot with the soil & roots untouched, but with new soil round the edges and bottom of the new pot.

For your elm, I think you can safely wait til spring and repot then. That will give you time over winter to watch Nigel Saunders Bonsai Zone on youtube! He does lots of repotting in mesmerising detail.

Chinese elm will survive no problem outdoors, better if they will get more sunlight. The rain is no problem. But strong wind can be a problem. And ice can harm some species' roots, but elm is quite hardy (so suited to Newcastle?!) so should be fine outside. But it wouldn't hurt to wrap up the pot on cold nights if freezing temperatures are expected. Don't water on winter evenings because if the extra water freezes it can crack the pot and worse burst cells in the roots.

If you decide to leave it indoors it will probably be fine this year but if it doesn't get cold in winter it won't get a rest period and over a few years may start to decline. Either way, try not to make sudden changes, if you do put it outside do it in phases to slowly get used to the colder nights.

Have fun!

Author:  richardb [ 05 Oct 2019, 16:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: Bonsai beginner help

As in the posts above it's best repot in spring as the buds are coming out. Unless there is a good reason to cut the roots,ie,pot bound , then leave them alone for a year or 2. Also pot size is important if you were to show the tree but if it is easier to keep the soil moist in a larger size pot then don't worry about this. Sometimes you need to let the tree grow a bit and throw out new long shoots before you chop them back. Constantly keeping the tree trimmed back to a pair of leaves will not help it's long term health. Outside in winter would be best for the even if it lives on yr kitchen window through summer and into autumn. When on yr window sill keep turning the tree to give all sides good light. In winter I tend to move trees to a warmer sheltered spot if the temp is going to be minus 10 or worse otherwise my chinese elms stay outdoors all year.
Good luck

Author:  Winty [ 05 Oct 2019, 18:13 ]
Post subject:  Re: Bonsai beginner help

Great read lots of interesting information thanks again both of you. I think I will put them out during the day for a bit with an aim to leaving the there permanently. If I get through the winter with these two I will be hooked for sure. It’s been an interesting journey so far am pretty attached to them now lol. I will take on board your comments thank you ever so much for bothering to reply to my post.

Regards to you both

Author:  Winty [ 17 Oct 2019, 09:37 ]
Post subject:  Re: Bonsai beginner help

Hello again so I placed my tree outside for a while and I am getting really worried. I trimmed away all the dead leaves. I topped over with fresh soil but I worried it could be dying firstly due to the rain it receives Sutlej this would be classed as over watering. I left my other tree inside which is now looking very healthy. My only worry with that is this tree may never recover a winter because of the heating in the house it had shed some leaves but still looks really healthy not sure how this will affect it long term though. I water much less than summer waiting till the soil is really dry before watering now.
What can I do with my other tree please will it survive in the garden.

Author:  Winty [ 17 Oct 2019, 09:41 ]
Post subject:  Re: Bonsai beginner help

Here’s another pic

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