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Author: | Brendan [ 29 Jan 2021, 21:49 ] |
Post subject: | Oak from a neighbour's driveway |
I spotted this oak growing in a bed of ivy outside a neighbour's house. For many years they trimmed the oak whenever they trimmed the ivy. You can imagine how that appealed to me. So today I went, with permission, to collect it. I know harry H has the article about summer collecting but I haven't always succeeded with it, whereas I find oaks collected in winter tend to survive. More about this tree and survival later... Here's the bed with the tree - can you see it? 20210129_132938 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr This is what I have seen on my dog walks: 20210129_132943 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr I cleared around it: 20210129_134647 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr And started digging. The saw on the right is about a foot long, so I dug down only about a foot before I was through the topsoil and hit the impenetrable red clay layer that is under this part of Kent. Nothing seems to grow in the red clay. So when it is shallow that usually means a shallow root system. 20210129_142930 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr My view is that oaks will always have a tap root that is exactly in line with the trunk. So I dig as deep as I can around the tree. Then I pick a side where there is good access and I dig a tunnel that aims straight at the lowest part of the tap root that I can reach, knowing I will find it. Here's the tunnel I dug 20210129_145045 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr And Bingo! here is the taproot: 20210129_151431 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr OK you can't see it as it is buried in the soil - but it is there - right in the middle of the pic, exactly where I thought it would be. 20210129_151435 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr You need to dig carefully, and I find a small trowel is essential to create the hole. I put the saw into the hole for scale: 20210129_145057 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr 20210129_145101 by BrendanR2012, on Flickrs On this dig the hole ended up being much bigger because the soil was completely filled with stones. My saw couldn't get through the tap root without fouling on a stone. Cut, move. Cut, move. Etc etc. It took ages. In the end my little hole was a massive excavation. But in the end... Ta Daa! 20210129_154647 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr But there is a twist. The oak was not just a single oak. On lifting it I suspected it was entwined with another oak (hosepipe coupler for scale). 20210129_154715 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr Turns out it was 2 trees. One obviously much younger; 20210129_160853 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr And then the oak that I was after. Dammit! After all that work I came away with almost ZERO roots. : 20210129_155400 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr All the lateral roots were on the younger tree. This beast had roots that head straight down. Straight through the impenetrable red clay layer. I bet it has roots surfacing in New Zealand. So I potted it up in a deep pot. I kept the soil that I had carefully removed. With oaks you alway keep the old soil as it has the critical mycorrhizal fungi. Mix it in with the free draining substrate (cat litter). As the tree was in clay with a bit of a loamy textrure I didn't want to keep a lot of it but I still mixed it at about 1 - 20 parts. I like to do a layer of CL, then a sprinkling of the old soil, next layer, next sprinkle etc. The concentration of the old soil in a thin layer is better than a dispersal throughout the mix, as the fungi need a critical mass to start reproducing. 20210129_163549 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr Hoe do you spell inverse taper? Nevermind, I can cope with it because can you see that bark! Deep fissures, craggy and OLD! 20210129_163712 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr With those few roots I give it 50/50 odd on surviving at best. Even it it lives it will take me 10 years to develop the roots. That siad, the bark on this tree is work another 10 years. I so desperately want it to live. |
Author: | Albero [ 29 Jan 2021, 23:21 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oak from a neighbour's driveway |
Great narrative, I was in there digging with you! Hope it survives and look forward to reading updates. |
Author: | Betula [ 30 Jan 2021, 09:28 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oak from a neighbour's driveway |
Glad you got it out without hitting any underground cables!! |
Author: | john blanchard [ 30 Jan 2021, 11:43 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oak from a neighbour's driveway |
Great description for people to learn from - "The concentration of the old soil in a thin layer is better than a dispersal throughout the mix, as the fungi need a critical mass to start reproducing." -Golden advice. Very enjoyable story Brendan. |
Author: | Gary Jones [ 30 Jan 2021, 22:44 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oak from a neighbour's driveway |
Well done. Let's hope it survives. As you've said tricky - with the roots. |
Author: | johnbaz [ 31 Jan 2021, 18:17 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oak from a neighbour's driveway |
Good luck with the Oak Brendan, Hope it does well, There's many trunks to choose from I found Oaks to be awkward, Years ago I went on a dig to Wharncleffe woods with the SYBS and found a beauty, It was at the edge of a track through the woods where a machine must have been used to keep it clear.. I put it in compost when I got it home but it didn't do well and died right down almost to the compost level so It was left for dead, It still got watered but was pushed to the back.. A few years ago I noticed loads of new shoots so I removed them all except two and let them grow for two or three years then put some wire on! Last year I repotted it and hoped that it didn't die altogether!, After so many years there was still hardly any roots! It put a few leaves out last year, Hopefully more will appear this year! I can't actually recall what year it was that I collected it as I didn't take note, I didn't take pics of it either when I brought it home or I could have looked at the exif data to find out, It was probably more than ten years ago though, The tree was around 2" acros the base! John |
Author: | Brendan [ 01 Feb 2021, 16:08 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oak from a neighbour's driveway |
To be fair, there is more root than I have seen on other oaks I have successfully lifted. My biggest gripe is that the roots are spread out down the length of that huge tap root. There is no obvious point to try for a nebari? 20210129_155400 by BrendanR2012, on Flickr |
Author: | Gary Jones [ 01 Feb 2021, 17:08 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oak from a neighbour's driveway |
I guess it would be reduction over a number of years after the tree has survived and started to thrive. The widest point is around that first (from the top) rigid root on the left. I think after 2-3 three years it might be an idea to remove from the bottom working up to those highest roots. It depends on what happens of course but a slight lean to the right would also bring the left and right hand top roots into line with each other giving you a broad base to work from. |
Author: | Loufada [ 10 Feb 2021, 18:06 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oak from a neighbour's driveway |
Good luck Brendan. I had the same (disappointing) experience whilst digging an oak two years ago. Lots of work, lots of careful digging and all that to find that the thin roots must have been much much further away below the surface. |
Author: | bluesky [ 15 Feb 2021, 23:08 ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oak from a neighbour's driveway |
Great find Brendan, I really hope it pulls through. If it does, then next year in spring you could put a wire tourniquet around the fat root just below where you want the new root plane. Attachment: 20210215_225313_resize_6.jpg This is a Harry H technique and it's worked for me previously on a maple. Then last spring I tried it on an english oak in a deep pot but I won't dig it up for another year, so can't yet claim success on an oak. But the oak survived last year fine so I know it doesn't seriously jeopardise the health. Harry recommends put the wire on snug but don't over tighten: growth will cause the tightening to occur naturally over time. |
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